Please stop all FPV activities in Singapore

[VinCopter]

The AR Drone is limited to the Wi-Fi range.

[UH-1H]

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Take off from seletar and land in Paya lebar LOL

Only possible if u re flying with the RSAF or the SYFC or you fly to training area and Seletar IMC u lan lan got no choice but to land alt aerodrome..then again u ll need security clearance..if u dont have security clearance u go Changi.

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as for ILS, the localiser carrier is 108.10 MHz and 111.95 MHz and the glide slope carrier 329.15 and 335 MHz.
And it is usually used in IMC

From my knowledge ILS is used 24/7 in changi cos its a precision approach while seletar might not have ILS yet, its a visual aerodrome, so pilots will make a visual approach into the aerodrome. using PAPI, but that doesnt mean people could fly around the airport cos at 500ft u might just hit a real plane over yishun.

Hi

OT abit. is it cheaper to get PPL over at the country up north??

It is but make sure u enroll in a school eg( KLIFA MFA), cos the clubs from my knowledge are no longer allowed to offer lessons for PPL. Locally, u can learn to fly with the Republic of Singapore Flying Club (RSFC) & Seletar Flying Club (SFC).

Listen to Dennis, he s right, FPV should go back to normal RC activities. Lets not get clamp for good.

[edmond22]

ok lah ok lah, bro

You know the funny thing is,

I am sure those clowns are reading these. They might be in with another nick or something or simply not logged in. I must admit I completely lose my respect for them as it is.

The whole community is talking about it and they are nowhere to be seen. They fly renegade, do not seem to want to be part of any RC community but strangely just for their own, even to the point of starting a Vimeo forum group and participated VERY STRONGLY in RCgroups etc posting videos, pictures, discuss FPV etc. When things happened, they dissappeared altogether. Just a "ok guys, I heard you, we have stopped all FPV, sorry for the trouble caused" would have gone a long way towards all fellow RC flyers.

NOT 1 word of remorse or apology at all! They knew from first day when they buy those equipment on a gamble choosing to ignore legal implications. Did they even care about what they have done and find out why IDA is investigating it? Did they even ask themselves if they have affected the safety of Airlines? I sure hope they just try to imagine for one bit when they fly FPV that their families or friends MIGHT just be taking a flight doing a landing at the same time.

While I made some jokes to lighten things up a bit, I do think you are not taking it as seriously as we do. Just my point of view, dun mind my bluntness. When you suggest using other frequencies, either you have bad EQ, or you have another agenda. Where do you stand? That post raise not just ChiaDennis's Eyebrow, mine too. The "ok lah ok lah, bro" doesn't help either.

[Ghostfit]

bro, i am not talking about legitimate use. I am talking about the requirement to register our locally bought normal radio Tx, as mentioned by Joe. That is going to be big hassle.

Sorry bro ! ...if you are not talking about legitimacy issues then what are you talking about ?

...Do you smoke ? if so, I wonder if you smoke duty paid cigarettes ?
So are you going to tell us next that paying taxes to the IRAS is a big hassle ?

[Abdul]

Radio Spectrum Master Plan

Check Annex 3 on SRD

Rc frequency are under the SRD

26.96 – 27.28 MHz
29.70 – 30.00 MHz

2.4 Tx with Frequency Band 2.400–2.4835GHz
Under
Wireless video
transmitter and other
SRD applications
IDA TS SRD

My interpretation, RC Tx is exempted from obtaining licences.


SHORT RANGE DEVICES
Short Range Devices (SRD) are devices which emit low power and have a limited distance of communication of about 30 m or less. Use of these devices are unlikely to cause interference to other services and are therefore allowed on a noninterference and non-protection basis. Over the years, IDA has opened up a number of frequency bands with limits of operating power for typical applications of SRDs. To facilitate use of these SRDs, users of these devices are exempted from obtaining licences from IDA. Annex 3 shows the frequency bands and other technical details and typical applications of such SRDs.

Thanks

[Blackite207]

Is it just me or do all of you feel the same frustration. Its not about what frequency is legal or not, Its not about the range or signal strenght. Its about doing something illegal which impacts the whole flying community.
Is it so difficult to accept this?
Lets pray that FPV is now dead.
Cheers!

[Abdul]

Technical Specification for Short Range Devices

Link to Technical Specification for Short Range Devices from IDA.

For your interpretation

Thanks

[chiadennis]

My interpretation, RC Tx is exempted from obtaining licences.


SHORT RANGE DEVICES
Short Range Devices (SRD) are devices which emit low power and have a limited distance of communication of about 30 m or less. Use of these devices are unlikely to cause interference to other services and are therefore allowed on a noninterference and non-protection basis. Over the years, IDA has opened up a number of frequency bands with limits of operating power for typical applications of SRDs. To facilitate use of these SRDs, users of these devices are exempted from obtaining licences from IDA. Annex 3 shows the frequency bands and other technical details and typical applications of such SRDs.


Thanks

This is referring to toy rc of 30m range.

http://www.ida.gov.sg/doc/Policies%20and%20Regulation/Policies_and_Regulation_Level2/Cap323/Cap_323_Rg_5__2002__Radio_Regs.pdf

Go to part 2.. Its $25

[Abdul]

For RC Tx

Link to Technical Specification for Short Range Devices from IDA.

For your interpretation

Thanks

Not to be mistaken, the above for RC Tx and not referring to FPV video down link use.

Say no to FPV

Thanks

[Abdul]

This is referring to toy rc of 30m range.

http://www.ida.gov.sg/doc/Policies%20and%20Regulation/Policies_and_Regulation_Level2/Cap323/Cap_323_Rg_5__2002__Radio_Regs.pdf

Go to part 2.. Its $25

Not exactly toy, most 27 and 29 ≤ 500 mW (e.r.p)
I remember when I spoken to IDA to report change of Tx for my existing licence.
They asked me my Tx use for plane/heli or car.
I can recall RC car no need licence. That how 30m come about.

See Below

5. Localised Radio-communication Station
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(a) Remote Control Devices (aircraft models
and cranes)
(i) $25 (Personal use)

[hallobaby]

short distance FPV 1.2G/80w can use??

[hallobaby]

short distance FPV 1.2G/80w can use??

i mean 1.2G/80mw those use for wireless camera..

[mnekap]

Just a curious question... Doesn't Civil Aviation use VHF instead of UFH?

Correct me i I'm wrong as i have no experience in FPV, Would it make sense to say that in order to fly FPV your TX/RX range need to be at least capable of transmitting to the max range of your FPV video TX/RX?

If so, then how come it's legal for our DSM2 TX to be sold in singapore if it clashes with Civil Aviation frequencies.

I'm aware that the offending frequency was in the 1Ghz range but isn't also the GSM band using .9Ghz and 1.8Ghz?

May be just be an excuse to stop FPV flying for security reasons and for impact justify the ban by saying that it may cause an aviation emergency.

Food for thought,if video transmissions will effect Aviation frequencies, then won't the Micro UAV (skyblade 3) cause havoc during it's use considering the limited area that it can be used at. ( for those brothers who know what i'm referrring to)

[mnekap]

Steady! Would like to meet the person who owns an FPV system that overpower an aviation transponder! Re define scale flying (1:1 scale)

Hi guys,

The reason why the FPV causes interferences is because their system frequency range falls within the same band as air navigation aid system (VORs, ILSs and TACAN) and communication band (VHF and UHF), thus it is not their 2.4GHz transmitter or their video downlink that cause the HooHaa.
In order to fly to the range of 4km+, they are not on the same system as us. They are on either VHF or UHF. Which is totally illegal to own at all without licence. With VHF or UHF, they are truly LOS (Line-of-sight). With proper system and antenna setup (both transmitting power and height), they can reach to a range up to 80km easily.
So for guys flying 2.4GHz or FM, not to worry too much, as long as you get your radio system from a local hobby shops and fly stock, you are ok.
But academically, or by right, all radio equipment have to be IDA approved or licence, but since they are not so sticky about it..Just be safe, be sure... Enjoy RC...

Happy Flying.

[mnekap]

Let's not encourage illegal FPV by removing all threads relating to FPV here in DH, if you really want to fly FPV then go sign some paper and can fly the Skyblade 3 as your career!

bro in the goodness of Daddyhobby, lets not pray that ppl get caught. Lets just try to disseminate the msg out to all the flying fields and to friends who are using fpv. We dont need to go to the extreme. After all, the rc community in singapore is not so big. Lets just advise them to stop or just delete the fpv post. Whatever it is, fpv flyers, be it we know them or not, are still friends of ours.

I have already inform ppl i noe who fly fpv regarding this matter and i think the msg was noted. Thats the least we can do imo. Lets spread the msg out as much as we can.