Raptor R50 eCCPM

[tucfaz]

Hi,

Need some expert input here.

Will it make much difference if a Raptor R50 Titanium were to be manage with an eCCPM instate of the current mCCPM? ie, will the R50 Titanium perform better if it were to be fitted with eCCPM?

Thanks.

[Art]

Hi,

Need some expert input here.

Will it make much difference if a Raptor R50 Titanium were to be manage with an eCCPM instate of the current mCCPM? ie, will the R50 Titanium perform better if it were to be fitted with eCCPM?

Thanks.

yes it will...should be more precise...and faster...

BUT....a Raptor is a Raptor...its a training bird....so lets keep it cheap & good....get the most bang for the buck out of it by keeping it as stock as possible....

[tucfaz]

Hi Art,

Thanks for the input.. So what is not a training bird? Avant?? Wow.. A little too off the budget and space for me maybe.

Was actually looking a various options and found a few, and one suggested converting the Raptor to eCCPM, and there's one that when even further with a full carbon fiber eCCPM main frame conversion..

Seriously.. What will be your choice after the Raptor?

yes it will...should be more precise...and faster...

BUT....a Raptor is a Raptor...its a training bird....so lets keep it cheap & good....get the most bang for the buck out of it by keeping it as stock as possible....

[johndyl]

r50 trainer...? then trex is toy liao!!!

[mave]

I read an article in the Airplane magazine that talks about the various types of swash plate. i.e. 90, 120, 140, and even 135 degree.
They discuss on the type of the swash and how the design have side effect such as uncommanded collective pitch.

[tucfaz]

Yes.. Hit on one of these articles which claims 140 degree swash offer more precise control over the common 120 degree ones. and the difference between the 120 and the 140 degree swash looks identical except that the ball link for the 140 degree one is space out further??

Also, according to a video I saw which feature Alan Szabo explaining about various heli setup technique, he claims that there no performance difference between eCCPM, and mCCPM except that the servos either works alone or in groups, but can't remember one have advantages over the other when the heli crash

Was seriously considering converting my R50 Titanium to eCCPM.. But again.. don't seems like anyone here is doing that?

I read an article in the Airplane magazine that talks about the various types of swash plate. i.e. 90, 120, 140, and even 135 degree.
They discuss on the type of the swash and how the design have side effect such as uncommanded collective pitch.

[tucfaz]

Ah.... Bro.. I thought we all know that since yesterday??

r50 trainer...? then trex is toy liao!!!

[johndyl]

Yes.. Hit on one of these articles which claims 140 degree swash offer more precise control over the common 120 degree ones. and the difference between the 120 and the 140 degree swash looks identical except that the ball link for the 140 degree one is space out further??

Also, according to a video I saw which feature Alan Szabo explaining about various heli setup technique, he claims that there no performance difference between eCCPM, and mCCPM except that the servos either works alone or in groups, but can't remember one have advantages over the other when the heli crash

Was seriously considering converting my R50 Titanium to eCCPM.. But again.. don't seems like anyone here is doing that?

but that vid... alan was sponsored by TT.. and their stock design is not direct CCPM... of i suspect being paid to do so one....

[johndyl]

Ah.... Bro.. I thought we all know that since yesterday??

alamak... cannot liddat say one....

[tucfaz]

TT also make eCCPM heli.. and if Alan Szabo is saying it because he's paid? Then he's risking his reputation for like how much.. I guess TT is not going to feed his next 2 generation right? Again.. They can always skip talking about ccpm in the video right? why put himself in such as spot where people him for saying something just because he's paid.

Actually I've read a few other or in fact many article stating that eCCPM does not actually offer much perform benefit.. Some even when to the extend of analyzing reason for eCCPM, and one came out with cheaper manufacturing cost for the manufacturer. Less parts involve etc.. Don't know how much these manufacturer will save remove one ball from the swash, but factor in other stuff line the collective arm etc.. can be a lot leh, and also in the states.. I've read some people actually looking at mCCPM conversion kit for their Trex SE??

OK.. I really don't know.. Hence, the reason I posted this thread..

but that vid... alan was sponsored by TT.. and their stock design is not direct CCPM... of i suspect being paid to do so one....

[tucfaz]

LOL.. Just poking only lah.. But you say one mah.. Rappy trainer.. Then Trex toy liao

BTW.. You referring to Trex 450 or Trex 600??

alamak... cannot liddat say one....

[johndyl]

TT also make eCCPM heli.. and if Alan Szabo is saying it because he's paid? Then he's risking his reputation for like how much.. I guess TT is not going to feed his next 2 generation right? Again.. They can always skip talking about ccpm in the video right? why put himself in such as spot where people him for saying something just because he's paid.

Actually I've read a few other or in fact many article stating that eCCPM does not actually offer much perform benefit.. Some even when to the extend of analyzing reason for eCCPM, and one came out with cheaper manufacturing cost for the manufacturer. Less parts involve etc.. Don't know how much these manufacturer will save remove one ball from the swash, but factor in other stuff line the collective arm etc.. can be a lot leh, and also in the states.. I've read some people actually looking at mCCPM conversion kit for their Trex SE??

OK.. I really don't know.. Hence, the reason I posted this thread..

mccpm for trex? already have ma... HDE lor.. and that has alot of probs.. as i seen 1sthand.. on one of the member's machine...

imo, the lesser the linkages in btween the better... just creates more unnecessary slop and friction. besides modern radios does the mechanical mixing faster and more efficiently..

but for our level of flying bro.... hehe we probably wont really feel the diff......

[johndyl]

LOL.. Just poking only lah.. But you say one mah.. Rappy trainer.. Then Trex toy liao

BTW.. You referring to Trex 450 or Trex 600??

450 la.... 600.. i still dreaming of it nia...

[johndyl]

mccpm for trex? already have ma... HDE lor.. and that has alot of probs.. as i seen 1sthand.. on one of the member's machine...

imo, the lesser the linkages in btween the better... just creates more unnecessary slop and friction. besides modern radios does the mechanical mixing faster and more efficiently..

but for our level of flying bro.... hehe we probably wont really feel the diff......

oops i meant does the mixing electronically faster than mechanically...

but eCCPM needs to be setup more carefully also la...

[mave]

i think in the video, he was saying that when the heli crash, the servo will have more direct impact on the CCPM than the HDE type of setup...

Yes.. Hit on one of these articles which claims 140 degree swash offer more precise control over the common 120 degree ones. and the difference between the 120 and the 140 degree swash looks identical except that the ball link for the 140 degree one is space out further??

Also, according to a video I saw which feature Alan Szabo explaining about various heli setup technique, he claims that there no performance difference between eCCPM, and mCCPM except that the servos either works alone or in groups, but can't remember one have advantages over the other when the heli crash

Was seriously considering converting my R50 Titanium to eCCPM.. But again.. don't seems like anyone here is doing that?