Whoo! ST Forum - Flying model aircraft may pose danger

[freeman]

Air Navigation Order

Hi guys,

This is an extract from
ANO (Air Navigation Order),
PART IX
CONTROL OF AIR TRAFFIC
Rules of the air and air traffic control.

Balloons, kites and airships.
64.
—(1) Within Singapore —

(a) a captive balloon or kite shall not be flown at a height of more than 200 feet above the ground level or within 60 metres of any vessel, vehicle or structure;

(b) a captive balloon shall not be flown within 5 kilometres of an aerodrome;

(c) a balloon exceeding two metres in any linear dimension at any stage of its flight, including any basket or other equipment attached to the balloon, shall not be flown in controlled airspace;

(d) a kite shall not be flown within 5 kilometres of an aerodrome;

(e) an airship shall not be moored; and

(f) an aircraft capable of being flown without a pilot shall not be flown —
(i) more than 200 feet above ground level;
(ii) within 5 kilometres of an aerodrome; or
(iii) within the boundaries of any danger or of any restricted or prohibited area, without the permission in writing of the Minister, and in accordance with any conditions subject to which that permission may be granted.

(2) A captive balloon when in flight shall be securely moored, and shall not be left unattended unless it is fitted with a device which ensures its automatic deflation if it breaks free of its moorings.

Happy reading...

[dreamflyer]

humans humans humans....humans like to do watever they like and don like other to stop watever they are doing....but have this humans ask themself why sometimes they are bothered by other humans doing things that they like???guys guys guys.....ppl stay there...think it is a nuisance so be it.....did you guys ever make complains about other ppl be4?say your neighbour sing ktv too loud disturbing you sleeping?or complain about kids playing soccer loudly downstairs your house???guys...singapore is small....we need to give way to one another...we share this small little land that we call it home...we live in harmony....wat is all the unity for???fighting among your fellow country mates???who might be your friends friends relative friend?or your future savior?i am quite sad looking at wat you guys just type...if you guys have anything to say bad about me after reading this...feel free to call me:81804227 my name is tommy i stay bedok k?
that is all i wan to say....my priceless post...


don get the picture of wat i'm trying to say???

pls write your name and address below... i will try to make you understand...

:

[dreamflyer]

[UH-1H]

Aerial Sporting & REcreational Activities

REfering to the ealier quote of OHR models causing hazards to local low flying aircrafts

http://www.caas.gov.sg/caasWeb/export/sites/caas/en/Regulations_And_Guidelines/Rules_and_Regulations/ATS/AIP/enroute/enr5/ENR5.5.pdf

Here s a copy of the AIP,
It quoted 2 aerodrome effected which is Sembawang and TEngah. Even stipulate the time allowed for RC acitvites.
Didnt see any OHR there..

[tucfaz]

I think I have to agree with Brandon.. There are plenty of fields in Singapore to fly our models.

The public cries is always a few points ahead of any argument. You stick to the rules, you avoid nitro, you fly low. But when the public say no.. it's still no go,

Another good point raise by Edmond22 is about PR, and I believe that's the key to peaceful flying in any area, as without PR even flying in a club will be a problem.

Maybe guys who fly at OHR should unite and maybe drop some flyers to the residence there and also those walking their dogs etc, giving them some insight of the various models we fly and their technology, and also a phone number or email address if they have any query of concern of even complains. This I guess should be the first step to your PR effort. Who know, you may get some of the residence interested and eventually joint you guys there.

Anyway, it's only one guy that have written to ST forum, and he most likely get his friends to do the same.. hence, although there may be other possible post, it's still him alone, and as for the man in blues.. They may not take action on the person even if it involve verbal abuse..

As for now.. No point crying over spill milk.. If you guys really like the field.. Then better be more constructive, and swing into action.. Act before it's too late.. Otherwise.. Go look for somewhere else to fly..

Just my 2 cents..

i am actually quite amused by your replies here. many if not most have cited how selfish, biased and uninformed these opinions from the public are. but all of you fail to see the bigger picture where public safety comes into the picture. it does not matter whether that nitro or 'petrol' plane will explode when it comes into contact with persons or property. the fact that there are people flying IC planes in an urbanized area does not make sense in itself. there are plenty of fields on the outskirts of singapore away from any heavily populated areas. if you are unable to live with such inconveniences then there is no one to blame but yourself; stick with small electrics!


unlike what others have said here, the solution is clear and simple. it does not make sense to fly your nitro planes in that area. you can just take a look at the field with google earth. the field is measured to be 0.3 by 0.7km across itself. out of the surrounding 360 degree radial, 270 degs are surrounded by immediate housing. the remaining 90deg has 0.7km of forest left till it hits SIM. in my 6 years in this hobby i've seen no less than five total loss of control situations that has resulted in the aircraft flying away on its own. several cases have been reported here of helis and planes flying into airbases.

[Ivan M]

Well, I guess there goes my plan of getting a T600N...

Guys, I stay at Old Holland Road and been there for almost 10 yrs.

What I want to say is, before the RC community gathered for their FF there, it is certainly a clean and quiet neighbourhood.

The road from the the coffeeshop to blackmore road has been a pleasure to drive imo. Parking by the roadsides during peak FF timings can occupy more than 80m of road space and is certainly an eyesore and an inconvenience to the residents there.

I have also noticed littering of many kinds. Drink cans, bottles, ciggarette butts especially. You would also find broken rotors and many other whats and what nots after each FF.

Flying and setup would also be done usually on the pavement, which is the route taken by many during their afternoon/ evening walks and jogs.

I've often wondered if pple have considered shifting further towards the centre of the field?

1. You're further away from the residential homes
2. You're not obstructing the resident pathways
3. Less noise polution
4. Less air pollution

I don't know if this is doable but perhaps parking with part of the car on the curb so that you take up less road space too?

I'm torn between being part of the FF community and the resident in OHR. I guess the only way to co-exist the two would be for both parties to practise some self disicipline and tolerance and having to learn to compromise.

Also remember, I often mentioned this when I was at the FF, that with all the littering, residents are bound to complain so it'd certainly be helpful if all of you could help clean up the place - not just the big items, but even things like tissue and cigarette butts.

I honestly believe the residents would be more than happy to welcome you guys for future FF - sometimes watching you guys fly itself is already a joy.

So all in all, keep the place clean, be less of a hazard, be friendly to the neighbours, and all will be happy.

[tucfaz]

Oooh.. This should never affect your plan for a T600N

There are many other field to fly this bird.. even the whole Singapore is ban.. At most we get someone to see water, and pack-up and run when the MIB is near..

Well, I guess there goes my plan of getting a T600N...

Guys, I stay at Old Holland Road and been there for almost 10 yrs.

What I want to say is, before the RC community gathered for their FF there, it is certainly a clean and quiet neighbourhood.

The road from the the coffeeshop to blackmore road has been a pleasure to drive imo. Parking by the roadsides during peak FF timings can occupy more than 80m of road space and is certainly an eyesore and an inconvenience to the residents there.

I have also noticed littering of many kinds. Drink cans, bottles, ciggarette butts especially. You would also find broken rotors and many other whats and what nots after each FF.

Flying and setup would also be done usually on the pavement, which is the route taken by many during their afternoon/ evening walks and jogs.

I've often wondered if pple have considered shifting further towards the centre of the field?

1. You're further away from the residential homes
2. You're not obstructing the resident pathways
3. Less noise polution
4. Less air pollution

I don't know if this is doable but perhaps parking with part of the car on the curb so that you take up less road space too?

I'm torn between being part of the FF community and the resident in OHR. I guess the only way to co-exist the two would be for both parties to practise some self disicipline and tolerance and having to learn to compromise.

Also remember, I often mentioned this when I was at the FF, that with all the littering, residents are bound to complain so it'd certainly be helpful if all of you could help clean up the place - not just the big items, but even things like tissue and cigarette butts.

I honestly believe the residents would be more than happy to welcome you guys for future FF - sometimes watching you guys fly itself is already a joy.

So all in all, keep the place clean, be less of a hazard, be friendly to the neighbours, and all will be happy.

[Ivan M]

Oooh.. This should never affect your plan for a T600N

There are many other field to fly this bird.. even the whole Singapore is ban.. At most we get someone to see water, and pack-up and run when the MIB is near..

My original plan was to just cross the road with my T600N in my left hand, starter with my right, and TX strapped over my neck!

Now I still have to dump all these into the car once again if i go fly

MT for now

[traderghost]

Well, I guess there goes my plan of getting a T600N...

Guys, I stay at Old Holland Road and been there for almost 10 yrs.

What I want to say is, before the RC community gathered for their FF there, it is certainly a clean and quiet neighbourhood.

The road from the the coffeeshop to blackmore road has been a pleasure to drive imo. Parking by the roadsides during peak FF timings can occupy more than 80m of road space and is certainly an eyesore and an inconvenience to the residents there.

I have also noticed littering of many kinds. Drink cans, bottles, ciggarette butts especially. You would also find broken rotors and many other whats and what nots after each FF.

Flying and setup would also be done usually on the pavement, which is the route taken by many during their afternoon/ evening walks and jogs.

I've often wondered if pple have considered shifting further towards the centre of the field?

1. You're further away from the residential homes
2. You're not obstructing the resident pathways
3. Less noise polution
4. Less air pollution

I don't know if this is doable but perhaps parking with part of the car on the curb so that you take up less road space too?

I'm torn between being part of the FF community and the resident in OHR. I guess the only way to co-exist the two would be for both parties to practise some self disicipline and tolerance and having to learn to compromise.

Also remember, I often mentioned this when I was at the FF, that with all the littering, residents are bound to complain so it'd certainly be helpful if all of you could help clean up the place - not just the big items, but even things like tissue and cigarette butts.

I honestly believe the residents would be more than happy to welcome you guys for future FF - sometimes watching you guys fly itself is already a joy.

So all in all, keep the place clean, be less of a hazard, be friendly to the neighbours, and all will be happy.

Well said! Coming from someone staying in OHR itself, I think this post carried alot of weight and all OHR flyers should take heed. Especially the part about moving towards the centre of the field and picking up your own litter. It's really not too much to ask for. Ivan, maybe the next time you go there for a FF, take the lead and push everyone towards the center of the field. And remind them to pick up their litter after the fly. You are a resident of OHR and your words certainly carry more weight than any of us! That should be a positive move towards protecting your flying field and showing the residents that the flyers care about their environment and will do all they can to make their neighbourhood a more fun, vibrant and interesting place

Side note: People, please post only constructive suggestions. Flames, hate and anger postings are self-destructive and serve only to reinforce negative impressions about RC flyers.

[X34]

[QUOTE=Brandon Chng]ithis speaks volumes about the mentality of most r/c pilots here.

[QUOTE]

Brandon,

U quoted me out of context. I fly full scale way before you were born. Twin jet rated 1981. I fly rc way before your parents meet each other. I advocate safe flying etc. Don't talk about safety with me.

If someone else is flying something and even piling something into the ground that could pose a danger to me - I would avoid that place. Don't be stupid to jog or walk into it. It is an atitude problem the writer had.

What he deem is dangerous could be safe to others. Granted, there is always potential of an accident. To be blown out of proportion only show ignorance.

I hope you will not misquote me again.

[chessgame]

Hi,

I feel it is not too healthy to discuss everything on the forum.

It may be better for us to meet together, draft a proper reply and get it posted and signed by everyone who is interested.

I think the letter should address the following issues :
1. Public Safety, parking and littering
2. Recommended solutions.

And please keep some of those i win you lose solutions out ! C'mon, i think we can think of better ideas ! It is a park big enough for all ya ?

If you read Mr Goh letter, you will find that he did say that the "The flying is nice, for both controllers and spectators."

So work on it fellows ! Work on the positive and sort out the difference . And avoid misquotes , requoting etc as it will not benefit all of us if we are fighting one another.


Big picture : We all want to fly.

[Ivan M]

Hi,

I feel it is not too healthy to discuss everything on the forum.

It may be better for us to meet together, draft a proper reply and get it posted and signed by everyone who is interested.

I think the letter should address the following issues :
1. Public Safety, parking and littering
2. Recommended solutions.

And please keep some of those i win you lose solutions out ! C'mon, i think we can think of better ideas ! It is a park big enough for all ya ?

If you read Mr Goh letter, you will find that he did say that the "The flying is nice, for both controllers and spectators."

So work on it fellows ! Work on the positive and sort out the difference . And avoid misquotes , requoting etc as it will not benefit all of us if we are fighting one another.


Big picture : We all want to fly.

Agreed!

I guess we should appoint someone to address the letter brought up in the forum.

We should openly acknowledge the concerns raised by the public and how we could both compromise - safety and environmentally, so we can all live harmoniously, fly happily, and safely.

[vcc1txs]

I got busted by the police on the site in question on Tuesday morning - about 9am. They took all my details and told me to pack up. I guess thay keep the details on file and take action if i offend on more than occassion?? Anyone know what the ramifications are???

[Sunstorm]

This is an analysis of Mr. Goh's letter. Also do note that the Straits Times can also edit letters somewhat.

I WISH to highlight the danger of flying petrol-powered model aircraft on the state land along Holland Road North between Blackmore Drive (where Methodist Girls' School is) and Brizay Park.

It isn't really petrol.

A group of model aircraft enthusiasts use this land for their flying activities. They regularly park illegally along Holland Road North while enjoying their hobby.
It's true. People do park illegally. But not only the RC flyers. A lot of others also park illegally.

Some of these aircraft are powered by flammable fuel. The flying is nice, for both controllers and spectators. However, I am deeply concerned about the safety not only of these fans, but also passers-by, vehicles along this stretch of Holland Road North and houses nearby.

Everyone has a right to be concerned about this. An out of control craft can fly into a road. Shit happens, although the possiblity of this is rare. Then it is flyer's duty to educate the public right?

The aircraft controllers fly them in various patterns and speeds, similar to what we see in movies and TV programmes. Should the aircraft accidentally collide and explode, the consequence could be serious.

Aircraft can collide but can't explode, got to educate public on this. Maybe can do demo! *demo - "See? Our mid air collision has no explosion! It only scatters balsa everywhere! Now excuse me while I dust off the balsa chips on my clothes"

Holland Road North has got busier, and is often used by heavy vehicles serving the construction sites nearby. Illegal parking escalates the danger of using this stretch of road.

It also is true.

I urge the authorities to take appropriate action to prevent a serious accident.
The authorities also won't know what to do apart from stopping the flying. Flyers must be proactive here. Draft letter, educate public, behave well, pick up litter.

I don't find anything VERY offensive or wrong with Mr. Goh's letter. The comments in the Straits Times online portal are the worse ones.

[moveon]

I decided to take up cross-stitching......
Sorry guys, just trying to cheer up...no offends....sorry...