Ho Bao? Hong Nor?

[nightbreed]

Let's say I want to get a 1/8th buggy. Let's say I'm considering these:

1. Ho Bao Hyper 7
2. Hong Nor Speed 9.5 Pro (here: http://www.madaboutrc.com/home.asp)
3. Hong Nor X1-CR (same link as above)

Let's say I want them for general purpose fun, not racing/competition.

Let's also say I want a .21 engine for 2 and 3.

Finally, let's say I have $800 to spend.

What do you say? :) :D

[fuse]

my vote goes to hyper 7

[sspp]

Let's say I want to get a 1/8th buggy. Let's say I'm considering these:

1. Ho Bao Hyper 7
2. Hong Nor Speed 9.5 Pro (here: http://www.madaboutrc.com/home.asp)
3. Hong Nor X1-CR (same link as above)

Let's say I want them for general purpose fun, not racing/competition.

Let's also say I want a .21 engine for 2 and 3.

Finally, let's say I have $800 to spend.

What do you say? :) :D

Hyper7, part support from winnie is good. cheap as well. if you buy the most basic models, you will certainly have money leftover for hopups. If i am not wrong, the RTR is about 500+.

[nightbreed]

Ya. My brain says Hyper 7, too. My heart says X1-CR. But it's a real close fight.

And you are right abt the parts support.

Ok, what about engine? I'm not sure what's the engine that comes with the H7. I'm not getting RTR. But just in case I itchy to change it... :lip: What's good? OS? Sirio? Italian brands?

Thank you! :)

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I would go for the hyper 7.

Becos:

1. Winnie has it so that means it will be cheaper then most other shop.

2. Winnie has a wall full of parts for it.

3. Should you decide to go serious and do some racing, the hyper 7 is a race winning car.

[fuse]

hyper 7 engine is good enough for bashing, parts are cheap as well
if you ever decide to race a buggy then buy a novarossi engine.

[sspp]

Ya. My brain says Hyper 7, too. My heart says X1-CR. But it's a real close fight.

And you are right abt the parts support.

Ok, what about engine? I'm not sure what's the engine that comes with the H7. I'm not getting RTR. But just in case I itchy to change it... :lip: What's good? OS? Sirio? Italian brands?

Thank you! :)

knowing winnie, she will prbably push you to get the .21 8port race engine from hobao. that is if you are getting the pro kit. how abt rex engines?

[fuse]

rex engines are the same with nova so as TOP engines all the same except colour and brand.

[sspp]

rex engines are the same with nova so as TOP engines all the same except colour and brand.

yah, rex i think belongs to nova.

but i think he will be able to get the hyper7 pro kit with center torsen diff and .21 8port race engine for 750 from winnie

[fuse]

yupz

i think 750 is the pro kit..

nice machine

[nightbreed]

I was at Winnie's. Twice. To see the car. It had an engine mounted already. Is a .21, but donno how many ports. Not Pro, I think. The wheels look damn cool. :lip: She offer $400+. I gian. I saw the wall. It is good. I didn't see the Pro kit. I saw the TQ RTR. I think get another engine is a story for another day.

Thank you for all your replies. I think I will save money and get the H7. Confirm. Now must play patience game...*SIGH*.

Ha! Got person on Rctech selling H7 Pro R for $450! Donno got engine or not. PM'ed him. Waiting for reply. *anticipation*

[fuse]

welcome to the land of off roader!!!

[sspp]

I was at Winnie's. Twice. To see the car. It had an engine mounted already. Is a .21, but donno how many ports. Not Pro, I think. The wheels look damn cool. :lip: She offer $400+. I gian. I saw the wall. It is good. I didn't see the Pro kit. I saw the TQ RTR. I think get another engine is a story for another day.

Thank you for all your replies. I think I will save money and get the H7. Confirm. Now must play patience game...*SIGH*.

Ha! Got person on Rctech selling H7 Pro R for $450! Donno got engine or not. PM'ed him. Waiting for reply. *anticipation*

hahahahaha, i also got hyper7 with 8 port engine leh.....want or not :L :L :L :L

[nightbreed]

:) If yours new, I consider.

[sspp]

:) If yours new, I consider.

the car ah.....condition is ok lah, chassis of coz scratch like anything, dun expect it to be smooth like use Dove soap liao... :L :L :L :L

engine.....just change piston sleep, piston, con rod....run max 5 tanks after that lor

not very hop up, just the center stiffener hopped up nia....

comes with 2 set of tyres and rims.....1 piece JPL pipe

I better go home and check its condition first, cannot sell you lousy things. wait kana branded as bad guy :na :na :na

[foampervert]

hiya chappies,
ima primarily a buggyer, so here's my 2 cents
if you're interested in a good buggy, i would suggest any of the folliwing:
-hong nor speed9.5 (old, heavy and tough as nails buggy, parts still available at BK's store, but it won't last forever, also, the buggy is very heavy and you can feel it when you drive, slow and languid)
-hong nor x1cr (parts available at BK's or hobby paradise, excellent buggy! numble and light, easy to drive)
-ho bao hyper7 (parts available at winnie's, very heavy, tough car like 9.5, many option parts.... can be quite mind boogling, just check the website...phew!)
-castor racing zx1 (extremely light car, very zippy and handles well, parts available at daan's hobby zone, just imagine a lightened mugen mbx5)
-mugen mbx5 (parts available at pacific hobbies, high quality parts, won 2004world champs.... enuff said)
-kyosho mp777 (parts from hobby bug and toykar, but not much of.... if you wanna drive this car, you just gotta stock up on parts yourself... parts quality is excellent but car has a very slippery rear{supposed to be cured with an upcoming chassis hopup from kyosho}need to relearn driving styles)
-xray xb8 or xb8R (parts from hobby link, parts are extremely high quality but you pay for it. excellent car, for both pro or noobs, also sam is just the nicest guy, he'll help you out if you buy this)

thats pretty much it i guess...
hope that helps you make a decision!
cheerio!
-alexander

[Mad Armour]

I was at Winnie's. Twice. To see the car. It had an engine mounted already. Is a .21, but donno how many ports. Not Pro, I think. The wheels look damn cool. :lip: She offer $400+. I gian. I saw the wall. It is good. I didn't see the Pro kit. I saw the TQ RTR. I think get another engine is a story for another day.

Thank you for all your replies. I think I will save money and get the H7. Confirm. Now must play patience game...*SIGH*.

Ha! Got person on Rctech selling H7 Pro R for $450! Donno got engine or not. PM'ed him. Waiting for reply. *anticipation*

The standard H7 kit comes with the Hyper21 4 port engine. IMO pretty decent engine. There's an 8-port and 8-port RACE version.

Just stick with H7 and save the extra money for good steering servo. That is if you just want to bash around. It more than good enough to launch and fly 10 feet up! :L :L :L

[fuse]

again i say i vote for H7...

got spare cash get the x1cr or mbx5 standard

got more spare cash : then xb8 or mbx5 pro

[nightbreed]

10 feet? That's abt 3 meters......Yeeha! *gian* :love

I already have in mind the Hitec 645MG for steering. 625MG for throttle. But they same price. Any reason not to get 645MG for double duty?

Oh, the H7 Pro R no deal. Got no engine. Extra $200-300. And that's $200-300 over budget. :nono :bigcry

[Mad Armour]

10 feet? That's abt 3 meters......Yeeha! *gian* :love

I already have in mind the Hitec 645MG for steering. 625MG for throttle. But they same price. Any reason not to get 645MG for double duty?

Oh, the H7 Pro R no deal. Got no engine. Extra $200-300. And that's $200-300 over budget. :nono :bigcry

Yah, 645 for steering and 625 for throttle is good enough. They are priced the same becos only difference is gearing. 645 is geared for torque and 625 is geared for speed. You don't need such high torque for throttle and brake.

I jumped my H7 at TBT, landed on one corner, car turn turtle a few rounds and still went on as if nothing had happened. :L I don't suggest you do bad landings just for fun. :z Sooner or later parts will definitely break. :rolleyes:

[nightbreed]

Hmm....the H7 that Winnie sells comes with pull-start engine. Can convert so that I can use MT2's rotor start? And how many cents will that cost me?

[Mad Armour]

Hmm....the H7 that Winnie sells comes with pull-start engine. Can convert so that I can use MT2's rotor start? And how many cents will that cost me?

Dunno if you can convert or not to the roto start but can be started using the starter box.

[nightbreed]

Heheh, that I know. But spend $$$. *sigh* The starter gui jiam? :)

[Mad Armour]

Heheh, that I know. But spend $$$. *sigh* The starter gui jiam? :)

Can get one for abt $100 from Winnie. Try to get 2nd hand one. :rolleyes:

[nightbreed]

Heheh. Not say I high class rich bugger or what, but I try to get new stuff. $100 for new starter box seems ok. Thanks.

[sspp]

Heheh. Not say I high class rich bugger or what, but I try to get new stuff. $100 for new starter box seems ok. Thanks.

but i dun see the need if you have an engine that is pull start leh

[Mad Armour]

Heheh. Not say I high class rich bugger or what, but I try to get new stuff. $100 for new starter box seems ok. Thanks.

Hahahaha...up to you. :rolleyes: Just make sure you get one for 1/8. This way, you can use it to start both 1/8 and 1/10. A 1/10 starter might not be powerful enough to start a 1/8.

[foampervert]

hiya nightbreed!
if you're seriously considering a pullstart engine, then at least borrow a box starter from someone to run in your engine.
the pull starter, in my experience, is one of the most frustrating things you can find on an engine.
if the cord doesn't break, the spring might, or it might uncoil, or the one way bearing will die cos fuel leakage into the one way bearing=dead one way bearing, if you're extremely lucky, and all the above doesn't happen to you, you'll end up with very buffy arms and a new swear-word vocabulary.
the rotor start is a better choice, but a box started engine is best.
anyways, ima not dissing the hyper7, i have one myself(its retired to the shelf now). i feel there are better buggies though. even the x1cr RTR or zx1 RTR are fantastic buys, if you're strapped.
whichever you choose, buggies are always fun and i do hope to see you looting soon.
-alexander

[nightbreed]

I know a guy with a pullstart. I saw how he struggled with it. I'm not going to do that. So, starter box, here I come! :)

Alexander, no more RTRs for me. I have 3. And that's 2 transmitters too many. Anyway, I'm eager to put together a car. The H7 is the middle ground. X1CR $200-300 over budget. :z :nono

[sspp]

I know a guy with a pullstart. I saw how he struggled with it. I'm not going to do that. So, starter box, here I come! :)

Alexander, no more RTRs for me. I have 3. And that's 2 transmitters too many. Anyway, I'm eager to put together a car. The H7 is the middle ground. X1CR $200-300 over budget. :z :nono

wah 3 liao ah, which 3?

[Orangie]

but i dun see the need if you have an engine that is pull start leh

A starter box would come in handy even with a pull start engine :)

[Orangie]

Anyone know how much the 777 cost? :D

[sspp]

A starter box would come in handy even with a pull start engine :)

i am saying, to buy everything 1 shot is too ex. why not go slow.

[Orangie]

i am saying, to buy everything 1 shot is too ex. why not go slow.

Got to strike the iron while its hot :D

[nightbreed]

sspp, I agree that to get all at one go is jia lat on the wallet. But I don't like to drag things out...because I got very little patience. :) So might as well get what I need as soon as possible. Save up the required amount, then one shot grab. :L

I read alot about the H7's front, centre and rear differentials needing different types of lube/oil. What's this all about? Do I really need to bother?

Also, there are quite a few 'coloured' parts on the H7 that Winnie sells. What's the purpose of them? Or are they just eye candy?

(Pix of the H7 found at Winnie's)

[sspp]

The different diff oil for the front, center and rear is for the handling of the car on different terrains.

But i think its better to just start the car running as stock before going into anything of this changes unless of coz, the car comes in pieces and you have to build it up.

I cannot remember the oil that i am using for my H7. let me check and i let you know again. basically, the different diff oil use will determine which wheel and whether the front or back gets the power transfer to handle on different grounds. but i have used stock recommendation before and it works ok in TBT.

As for the 'coloured' stuff, its all hopups lor. not really necessary and i only get them when i break the stock ones. thing is this, i dun race and just bash and jump, so hop up or not dun make much of a diff for me for this buggy.

But i would recommend getting the center stiffener. the stock ones always pop up after a few jumps and when the ball connector wears out, can be quite irritating.

[nightbreed]

But i would recommend getting the center stiffener. the stock ones always pop up after a few jumps and when the ball connector wears out, can be quite irritating.

Hmm. Ya. It seems the Pro has it, while the one in the pic doesn't. Must get one for rear and front, i guess. *sigh* Money again.....

[sspp]

Hmm. Ya. It seems the Pro has it, while the one in the pic doesn't. Must get one for rear and front, i guess. *sigh* Money again.....

:L :L :L its your impatience thats killing you!!!

[fuse]

buy buy buy

[sspp]

buy buy buy

wah, you are more terrible than i imagined :evil :evil :evil :evil

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Someone is selling one... if you are interested.

Singapore RC Racers (http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70604)

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/auc/v_EDhwQuShBw/epalepana2000-img450x450-1.jpg?auAmqsLBWqg5P2GW

[sspp]

Someone is selling one... if you are interested.

Singapore RC Racers (http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70604)

http://us.f3.yahoofs.com/auc/v_EDhwQuShBw/epalepana2000-img450x450-1.jpg?auAmqsLBWqg5P2GW

wah not cheap even for a prokit leh.....

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wah not cheap even for a prokit leh.....

Is it? I have no idea...don't play nitro buggy. How much is a prokit anyway?

[sspp]

Is it? I have no idea...don't play nitro buggy. How much is a prokit anyway?

brand new is 750 lor....normally, people sell below 450

[Yttrium]

10 feet? That's abt 3 meters......Yeeha! *gian* :love

I already have in mind the Hitec 645MG for steering. 625MG for throttle. But they same price. Any reason not to get 645MG for double duty?

Oh, the H7 Pro R no deal. Got no engine. Extra $200-300. And that's $200-300 over budget. :nono :bigcry


Hi nightbreed, the Hitec 645MG is a value for $ choice. I'm using that in my H7 Pro for steering as well. As for the brake/throttle I'm still on a cheapo S3003 that came off one of my RTR kits :L

That Pro R kit sure sounds nice.. did you find out what it has over a Pro kit?

[Yttrium]

I cannot remember the oil that i am using for my H7. let me check and i let you know again.


What combination are you on now? I can't remember mine as well.. but running the standard diffs has definitely made the buggy more manageable compared with the Torsens..

[sspp]

What combination are you on now? I can't remember mine as well.. but running the standard diffs has definitely made the buggy more manageable compared with the Torsens..

din i say i forget liao :hammer :hammer :hammer :hammer

its a lazy day, dun make me work my brains :na :na :na

[Yttrium]

din i say i forget liao :hammer :hammer :hammer :hammer

its a lazy day, dun make me work my brains :na :na :na


:na :na :na I thought you went home to check already mah! :hammer

[sspp]

:na :na :na I thought you went home to check already mah! :hammer

wah lau, i posted this like before lunch and you expect me to cheong home......petrol not cheap these days

[nightbreed]

That Pro R kit sure sounds nice.. did you find out what it has over a Pro kit?

Heheh. No. Because it's out of budget. So no point finding out. :)

It's just too bad that Winnie's H7 (i say Winnie's becos I cant seem to find the same one anywhere else) is about 80% fixed up. If I'm not wrong, the Pro kit is all loose parts waiting to be put together. I was looking to put one together from scratch. But I know I asking for more frustration like this. Heheh. Well, it's a learning process. And that can't be all bad. :) :rolleyes:

[sspp]

Heheh. No. Because it's out of budget. So no point finding out. :)

It's just too bad that Winnie's H7 (i say Winnie's becos I cant seem to find the same one anywhere else) is about 80% fixed up. If I'm not wrong, the Pro kit is all loose parts waiting to be put together. I was looking to put one together from scratch. But I know I asking for more frustration like this. Heheh. Well, it's a learning process. And that can't be all bad. :) :rolleyes:

if its the H7 you are eyeing, you can forget any other shops. I think Taising have it but only the Pro kit and they are selling like 900-1k....so just go winnie, dun bother wasting time.

and if you really want to build from scratch, just dismantle the H7 lor
hahahahaha

[Yttrium]

[QUOTE=nightbreed]Heheh. No. Because it's out of budget. So no point finding out. :)

It's just too bad that Winnie's H7 (i say Winnie's becos I cant seem to find the same one anywhere else) is about 80% fixed up. If I'm not wrong, the Pro kit is all loose parts waiting to be put together. I was looking to put one together from scratch. But I know I asking for more frustration like this. Heheh. Well, it's a learning process. And that can't be all bad. :) QUOTE]

Oh I didn't know it's pretty much fixed up.. so its ARTR? :sneaky:
I can understand why you want to put it together yrself... it's the same for me :rolleyes:

[Yttrium]

wah lau, i posted this like before lunch and you expect me to cheong home......petrol not cheap these days


Oh so I'm not that outdated after all.. I thot this was an old thread :ha:

[sspp]

Oh so I'm not that outdated after all.. I thot this was an old thread :ha:

:hammer :hammer :hammer see when it was posted?

[nightbreed]

wah not cheap even for a prokit leh.....
"Selling the car with the engine, no electronics for $550."

Wait wait...this guy selling WITH ENGINE. The last guy I asked was selling $450 W/O engine......hmmmmmmmmm......but I gian to build a car leh. Hmmmmmmmm...decisions decisions.......indecision indecision....... :bh

[sspp]

"Selling the car with the engine, no electronics for $550."

Wait wait...this guy selling WITH ENGINE. The last guy I asked was selling $450 W/O engine......hmmmmmmmmm......but I gian to build a car leh. Hmmmmmmmm...decisions decisions.......indecision indecision....... :bh

the hobao engine dun cost much. and personally, i wun go for a used engine. taiji liao liao wan.

[nightbreed]

and if you really want to build from scratch, just dismantle the H7 lor
hahahahaha

:) Like that I also know!! :hammer :hammer

But tak shiok, lah.

[nightbreed]

the hobao engine dun cost much. and personally, i wun go for a used engine. taiji liao liao wan.

Is it? How much? I know an OS 21RZ V01 b P Engine is abt $350.

[sspp]

:) Like that I also know!! :hammer :hammer

But tak shiok, lah.

nbz, you not a easy person to please hor.....go and buy the 777, then build from scratch.....or you pay me $20, i dismantle your new H7 for you then send it back to you to fix

[sspp]

Is it? How much? I know an OS 21RZ V01 b P Engine is abt $350.

if we talk about the 4 port engine, its like 100+ brand new!!!

[foampervert]

hiya nightbreed and others,
the O.S. VZB v-spec is O.S.'s latest engine, winnie or toykar should be selling it for around $350+ if you have a choice, do not go for previous models like Vo1b or VZB cos you won't get value for money(they also cost around $350>> from rotor hobbies or singapore hobby supplies).
if you're strapped, then go for any of the taiwanese engines winnie sells, they aren't too bad if you run-in properly and always run them very slightly rich(not a good choice if you intend to race though)
as for buggy selection choices, there really isn't too many you can choose from if you intend to build it yourself, the the hyper7 is prolly your best. winnie seems to have a hyper7 model in every concievable price range.
someone mentioned abt the kyosho mp777, its a nice buggy but kyosho is about to release the SP2 version which will make it a lot easier to drive, i suggest you wait for it... pricing will prolly be around $1100+++ w/o engine(check with ben at hobby bug or toykar).
about the diff oils, the usual practice is to have the "hardest" oil in the middle diff to control torque, slightly "softer oil in the front diff and the "softest" in the rear.... although some pro drivers use hard oils for the rear too for better exit-turn acceleration.
typical diff oil setups are: F=3k, M=5k, R=1k or if you want more aggresive acceleration versus lowered steering, just up the hardness of the oils; i.e. F=5k, M=7k, R=3k... just try not to go too hard cos it'll make the car very hard to drive, for buggies, we dunt usually go beyond 10k on any diff.... unless you're damned pro.
hope this helps
cheerio!
-alexander

[nightbreed]

Man, you sure know a lot Alexander. Thanks! :up :)

sspp, at least now I know engines don't have to cost alot. I always thot they were >$300.

I see this word a lot - loot, as in "I hope to see you looting at the track soon." What does it mean?

[sspp]

Man, you sure know a lot Alexander. Thanks! :up :)

sspp, at least now I know engines don't have to cost alot. I always thot they were >$300.

I see this word a lot - loot, as in "I hope to see you looting at the track soon." What does it mean?

loot lah, cheong lah, whack the car lah

[foampervert]

hiya nightbreed!
ima mostly a buggyer, recently returned to flying.
i still buggy a lot(first love) but i think EP flight has potential for days i just dunt feel like cleaning up after, or rainy days.
if you need help with buggys, just gimme a hoot!
ciao!
-alexander