Lesson from RCFlying forum..

[PhiBeR]

http://forum.starhub.net.sg/cgi-bin/...3;t=18247;st=0

Whats the deal with the "regulars" on this forum?

Not to open up a can of worms, but things I'm constantly frustrated by on this forum are:-
a. lack of responses from "regulars"
b. sporadic replies that seem to "miss the point" or don't address the people asking the questions

There's a ton of conversation between "regulars" that completely ignore dialogue from folks outside the "inner circle".

Don't know if this translates to behaviour on the field, but folks, we need to at least acknowledge each other's presence if we want to continue sharing rapidly diminishing airspace..

Was originally drawn to this forum having read sniper's introduction below:-
"Not to worry if you are new here as we have a number of experienced members here to offer you advise on what electric plane to start with, what equipments to purchase, where to fly together and what resources to pool."

So folks ... take a good look in the mirror.

Anyways, am checking out and moving on ...

Found this recent post in the RCFlying forum..
Dun wanna get flamed there so post it here..
Here we get free fire-retardant suits, so no worries!

My thoughts of that forum are the same as what he mention..
And worst thing is, most of the regulars are anti-electric, anti-heli, etc..
But nvm la, everyone has their own experiences..
But the regulars there and us have a same opinion though..
Generally we don't like Chan, but here, we still use his products coz some are really cheap and good, given actual feedback from members of coz..
But there, they totally dun buy his stuffs i think..

BUT what i want to point out in that thread is that i hope our forum
will not degenerate to such a state!!
It's good to form a cliche of flyers but dun outcast anyone, esp newbies to flying!
So far the "old birdies" in the forum are very helpful to everyone!
So let's keep it up and make Daddyhobby the No. 1 hobby forum in SG!!

And btw Mike, i think it's time to change the logo.. or mod it abit..
Layer in a Plane, a boat and a car!!
Coz sometimes pple still think this is a heli forum!

[HZM]

Wo.... its an interesting subject.

To share my view, I too "behave" in this way at times

In some instance, I saw someone asking some question in this forum, I had the answer to it, but just too busy to type it on.

Eg, sometime ppl asked what is the diff between FP and CP ....

The xpalanation could be a page long. Fortunately, most lao Jiao still pretty prompt and answer accordingly..... if u notice, super hornet is usually the one that "never say die" and go on with abt a thousand word thesis Anyway 3 cheers to him

I really hope, everyone tried their best to help each and everyone. We were once a newbie too. To make things worse, I am still a newbie when comes to hornet and some plane

There is always a saying : Give a hand to someone who need your help. U nv know when u need one.

Mike

[loyn]

Forming of inner circle ....... .......man this hobby in Singapore is already so small if still want to form a inner circle..... then it will turn into a "ring" instead

100% agree with Mike , never forget how is it as a newbird when you have to stand around until someone if "free" to help out , that feels suck..... That is why I have leave the so call "club".... of cause is not all the same any way just my own bad experience.

So far daddyhobby has been "good"..... no ranking of old or new bird ...... just a group of happy flyer...... I hope So keep it up ..... we are willing to help in any way but as this is still only a hobby..... something response can be delay as family and work still come first.

Happy flying guys and keep sharing of your learning for both good and bad

[MicroHeli-Nut]

I think if this kinda thing happen here, then 'CHAM LIAO LOR', the cool thing about this forum is the special skills are all quite evenly distributed; ie for eg, Loyn is good at making small e-planes... hason good at making gliders... etc..... ..

no one is full expert here...... therefore have to relly on each other's expertise...help here and help there and

no one really that LAo Lao Jiao......

but to be honest too little people make use of the 'search function' and sometimes the explanation or answers were repeated to many times liao... a bit tiring to me to answer..... however, i myself also could never get the search function to work properly always get some reply say under four letters not accepted or something....

[Super-Hornet]

Thank you Thank You Thank you.


I will always try my best to answer some question asked by other ppl. Even though I may not be Lao Chiao or may not be so accurate but at least I try to answer it.

Super-Hornet

[9VDXN]

Well, this is what all hobby and forums/bulletin boards are about...

We are participating to get advise, to chit chat, and to share info.
If anyone thinks otherwise, maybe they should not join in or participate in any at all.

Just my two cent worth.

[wei young]

Don't want to add fuel to the fire, but am I getting flamed there

Pretty hilarous ... especially since if people enjoy giving themselves the status of "senior", then they should at least have the mettle to forgive and move on * hehe *

I have moved on ... and am not going back. Hope we can close this issue here because I really enjoy the camaraderie and rapport on this forum - even though I haven't met most of u

[Brandon Chng]

agree with mike. when is started(not long ago) i received help from some very kind people. by helping others is just a way to pay forward the help. one thing i hate is when someone asks a question and people start by saying "USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION". the person who said that probably know the answer and i don't see why they simply couldn't type it out. like that might as well close the forum and only open the search function since it seems most things have already been discussed and not worth telling people again.

[Super-Hornet]

Hey Brandon Chng

I totally agree with u. I do feel annoyed seeing the "Use the Search Function"!! The person asking the question probably already use the search function he/she cannot find it and that is why he/she ask it instead. If that person can/bother/spend the time typing "Use the Search Function", why don't he/she type the answer or at least give the direct URL link to the answer instead.

Super-Hornet

[PhiBeR]

Originally posted by wei young
Don't want to add fuel to the fire, but am I getting flamed there

Pretty hilarous ... especially since if people enjoy giving themselves the status of "senior", then they should at least have the mettle to forgive and move on * hehe *

I have moved on ... and am not going back. Hope we can close this issue here because I really enjoy the camaraderie and rapport on this forum - even though I haven't met most of u

WY,

Dunno leh, no flame la.. They juz trying to "justify" their actions.. But seriously i agree with u.. that forum is like for the laojiaos only..
Anyway, i'm not raising your issue here.. juz "jie ti fa hui".. :P
I juz want the other senior forum guys here to know that such a thing can happen and want them to know that we are all very appreciative of their help when we all first started!
So now i try to help out with my very very meagre knowledge i've gained from flying with them and passing them on!

Anyway, my rc knowledge is not as much, still learning!
However, if u got PC related IT/Programming problem can find me!!
Btw, i seldom eat apples.. only once or twice! but they're nice!
If u get what i mean, Ares and Dixon..

[Art]

I beg to differ....using the search functions first actually helps us inunderstanding some topic before we ask again...imagine a forum with 1000 post but 200 are talking about the same thing....we should try to minimise the 'spoon feeding' thingy here...of course..if you cannot find some info you need or if you cannot understand..then you can ask lah....

Much as we wanna put in out part on helping...whosoever's asking should also put in his part on the topic first...

[dabiddo]

hee... suggest do a search, if no results, cut and paste screen and ask question, then we know u have done your searching.. hee...



just joking... i agree with the search thingy... just do a simple search first... if really cannot find wat you are looking for... then ask... we have lots of friends here who would love to answer those questions...

[oceanus]

Originally posted by Art
I beg to differ....using the search functions first actually helps us inunderstanding some topic before we ask again...imagine a forum with 1000 post but 200 are talking about the same thing....we should try to minimise the 'spoon feeding' thingy here...of course..if you cannot find some info you need or if you cannot understand..then you can ask lah....

Much as we wanna put in out part on helping...whosoever's asking should also put in his part on the topic first...

I kind of agree with you. After all, nobody gets paid by answering the questions. It's all out of good will of our fellow users.

I think generally all modellors here in Singapore are helpful in a certain way, being in forums or at the fields. It's just a matter of lack of communications that sometime makes one feel left out. There are a lot of cases where fellow modellors started off treating each other at the fields like enemies, but after sometime, become close friends. Let's take a step back and see the general picture. The overall atmosphere in this hobby is still quite healthy and personally, I don't see any flame over the other forum as well.

That kind of post over the other forum is good and pretty normal in the sense that someone wishes to voice out his personal view and experience over a usage of the forum. We all should be mature enough to speak up and be receptive enough to discuss issues like this to create a healthy 2 way communication. If done correctly, it can make the administrator and moderators to understand the problems of the users and also let them clarify things so that things can be improve. Putting personal emotions and remarks after only reading a person's point of view may not be helpful and can make a person or the thread sound bias. I think it could be better for people to step back and read the replies from both sides before posting personal comments.

This kind of incident can also happen here if someone started to feel left out due to the way we normally post our comments. In fact, there were some posts some time back from somebody claimed that he's from some Tibetian country who liked to use block letters through out his post. There were some personal comments that I think makes him feel isolated and left out. The only diference is that he chosed to leave the forum quietly instead of posting a thread like this.

Being a user of both forums, I find that there are both strength and weakness on both sides. Just trying to give a fair comment on this, users should try not to isolate this forum from the other and vice versa. Afterall, there are a lot of things to learnt and benefit from using both forums, and BTW I'm sure some of you also visit the RC groups isn't it? Being more receptive and open-minded to use multiple forums will increase the avenue of knowledge transcations and as such we can learn a lot more than just to keep to one. Let's try not to distant ourselves with one another.

[oceanus]

Originally posted by loyn

100% agree with Mike , never forget how is it as a newbird when you have to stand around until someone if "free" to help out , that feels suck..... That is why I have leave the so call "club".... of cause is not all the same any way just my own bad experience.

Hi Loyn,

I have some interesting experience regarding your above mention case. I would sometime approach a new comer at the fields to help them start engines, take-off, land and even coach them. So much so that I only have time for one or 2 flights of my own planes. Most of them are appriciative but sometime, there are people who find you being 'How-lian' or busy body and insist on doing things on thier own. Worst still, there were also comments from fellow modellors saying things like being too proud and should never offer help unless people ask for it. I got so discouraged and so, I now tend to do my own flying and will only offer help to my close friend or those who indicated that he need assistant.

However, being a newcomer, one must also be initiative enough to approach for help by socialising. When there isn't any e-forums that ever exist sometime back, newbies like me will go to the field, introduce myself and 'gel' into the group and eventually ask and get help from them. You cannot expect to just stand at a corner and wait till people appraoch you. Being initiative will make people see you as more enthusiastic in the hobby when you start socialising and communications will follow through. With this advantage, you can get help and information easier than having to flip through magazines and manuals.

[oceanus]

Lastly, I think it's best that all users of all forums, especially between DH and RCflying, to co-exist in harmony, rather than picking each other,which benefits neither of them.